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Sept 17, 2008

Alertpay messed up!

PTC users may have to wait for their payments a while if the PTC is using the payment processor Alertpay.

When sending money with AlertPay the money just seem do disappear into thin air (?!). We tried to send $56 form one account to another and what we got was $0.97. Until this problem is sorted we don't think anyone will dare send moany via AlertPay.

AlertPay has scheduled maintenance today and we can only hope that will sort the problem. During this time AlertPay services will be unavailable.

 

 

April 7, 2008

The payment processor ugly sisters

Article by C.J

AlertPay and PayPal seem to have been the subject to much wide spread debate recently with much focus on how they both have such high set backs. Unfortunately these are the only two realistic options for the PTC industry which is a big shame as one would think by now pay processors would be much further progressed (PayPal especially).

The fact is PayPal has reduced its service while Alert Pay has come from nowhere with attributes are also going nowhere. In 2007 PayPal was the dominant processor with a follow up minority on e-gold. Don’t worry I wont even get started on e-gold so lets just say there is a reason it's not one of the major brands.

PayPal were coming to a point where it seemed it was beginning to embrace the PTC industry until late January 2008 when they started to receive a mass influx of disputes against PTC sites that had failed to pay on time for various reasons. Much of these disputes were a little rushed to say the least and often the first port of call when a PTC faced problems.

One would have thought PayPal would have been able to distinguish the difference between a legitimate dispute and a panic dispute but never the less they acted on the PTC industry by locking numerous PTC site accounts causing the most unprofitable day in the PTC industries history. After the accounts were unlock the limitations were introduced which meant some PTC sites couldn’t release enough money to pay everyone.

This move by PayPal wasn’t smart as it only caused further panic disputes as members who were unaware of the PayPal issues thought they were being scammed or having their payment requests deliberately ignored. It wasn’t long before half the industry were making moves to ditch PayPal… enter Alert Pay

At first Alert Pay seemed to be the bee’s knees with no more limitations or silly rules until recently. The problem with AlertPay to start with is that it isn’t as established as PayPal and therefore not international recognised by a long shot. Such countries such as Mexico, Turkey, Pakistan and many more do not have banks that accept AlertPay. This meant that not only did the PTC industry have to face more timely administration in validating their accounts but work in a much smaller international market. Some sites have resorted to using both to cater to a wider field of people.

Unfortunately the problems with AlertPay would only grow due to AlertPays substandard support service. With all AlertPay and PayPal for that matter accounts you are dealing with pee nuts unless you verify your account. This now means having to upload ID sensitive documents to them to make sure they have a more detailed record of whom you are for legal matters. This process commonly requires you to send a photo ID such as a driver’s license or passport and a proof of address such as a utility bill.

At PayPal the verification is fairly fluid but at AlertPay they are a little over sceptical about the legitimacy of these documents. This doesn’t always have to do with the details but more silly issues such as a scuff on your photocopy or DPI and colour inconsistencies. I am aware that it’s important to have a clear image but many people argue they reject down to the slightest spec of dust. The rant continues with their member support as one member who signed up on 1/12/08 has had his legitimate documents rejected twice and on the now third attempted hasn’t heard a word off them regarding his verification with no support questions answered.

The support at AlertPay is arguably comparable to that of a call centre manned by monks who have taken marathon vow of silence. I myself don’t own an AlertPay account but believe me I have tried. After registering you have to confirm your request via email but for me this email is a mystery to its existence even after a filter and junk mail check. I of course submitted a support ticket which was answered 2 days later simply telling me to provide the email I registered under. After that I heard nothing and had no means to sign up and this is apparently quite a common occurrence. 

To top things off nearly everyone who owns an AlertPay account is now getting run time errors most of the time when trying to log into their accounts or add credit cards to their account. These errors build up and cause much wasted time when PTC sites have to check their account or make payments to members.

It’s very much a double edge sword with these processors and laughable given the day and age we are in that those major online companies cannot get the balance right. There are a few ways to avoid the services such as using payment cards or the snail mail payments but for the time being we are stuck with two processors that can’t seem to get in gear

 

 

April 2, 2008

And the issues build up

When handling and cross-referencing loads of payments you of course need access to your account. Recently AlertPay has not only stopped answering to 90% of the customer emails but now their website is also going berserk.

When processing payments and checking account you get a runtime error 80% of the times. This means processing payments takes a very long time and double payments may occur in the system.

 

March 24, 2008

AlertPay issues!

Article Tess

As many disappointed users might have noticed, after being forced to open AlertPay account to recieve money from th PTC sites, is that there are a lot of issues and bugs.

The main issue seems to be the fact that people cannot transfer money from the AlertPay account into their bank account. Even if you do everything right there is an error in AlertPay and the money cannot be transferred. WE have gotten many upset emails from members who have this problem and the AlertPay support seem to be completely ignoreing the problems and don't even answer the emails about this matter.

To make sure that this really is an issue and that AlertPays support really ignore the customers we had to test it.

We amde an attempt to withfdraw money from AlertPay and transfer some money into our bank account. We chose the Euro balance which at this point was €71. We tried to withdraw €70 and got the following error: You cannot withdraw more than the available balance.

Just in case there wasn't enough money to pay the fee we tried with a smaller amount of €50 and got the same error.

We sent an email to the AlertPay support about this and waited for a reply...and waited..and waited. Two days later there was still no reply and we sent another identical email and waited another 4 days for a reply. Still nothing.

A 3rd email was sent on the 19th of March and this time with the information that were going to take legal action if our messages were ignored. This helped somewhat and we got the following answer on the 20th of March 2008:

"When creating a withdrawal by bank transfer please make sure you are choosing the correct balance to withdraw from. the first field on the page is called 'From Balance', make sure this is set to your euro balance."

Well this was no news to us and we informed that we had chosen the right balance and still it is impossible to withdraw the money. Our reply was sent the same day (March 20, 2008).

Today on March 24, 2008 we still haven't recieved a reply and the issue remains unsolved.
This proves that the members were right, the AlertPay support is ..well lousy is too modest a word to describe it.

More issues ....and discrimination?

Another issue is that you cannot transfer money from AlertPay to PayPal and the other way around. This is a problem for all people who not yet have the option to add a bank account, as of today AlertPay only works with banks in 31 countries and that leaves out about 90% of the world. As usual the ones who are not yet allowed to use withdrawal are eastern european, african, asian and south american countries.
 One can wonder why these countries always end up last on the priority list and are even sometimes banned to use services like this? We can see this pattern everywhere, even on PayPal, ClickBank and PTC sites (just to mention a few). It is easy to jump to the conclusion that this is some sort of discrimination and when asking these organizations up front they don't really want to answer and just refer to their Terms of Service.

One member of the UrOnlineBiz staff who is a resident of India can no longer access his money since the checks from AlertPay just seem to "disappear" (every time, isn't that strange?), the support ignores his emails and he cannot transfer the money to his bank account since India is not allowed. Well I can only think of one thing to say really:  it sucks! And yes as unprofessional and "unobjective" as it sounds to use words like that it is my professional statement.

How do we solve this?

 Luckily we can solve the problem with our Indian employees payment by letting him transfer his money to our swedish AlertPay account and then we send out money from our bank account to his PayPal. However not everyone is lucky enough to know people in western Europe or USA who are willing to help out and whom they can trust with their money.

We can only hope that this discrimination will change rapidly and that all people no matter where they reside will be allowed to use services for transferring money online. We all work just as hard to earn it after all, right?

We will have reason to get back to the AlertPay issues shortly, I'm sure.

 

 
 
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